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The Pros and Cons of the Fed's Action Last Week

Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:33:44 AM PDT

Last week has a historic week for the Federal Reserve.  Going back to the end of the previous week we learned that one of Wall Street's oldest and most venerable investment banks was basically bankrupt.  Over the weekend we learned that JP Morgan was working to buy Bear.  And then we learned that JP Morgan purchased Bear for $2/share with a $30 billion guarantee from the Federal Reserve in the event some of Bear's loans were bad (which some pretty much have to be in the current environment).  Now that all of this is over, let's look at the pros and cons of what the Federal Reserve did.

First let's look at what the Federal Reserve did.  On March 16 they made this announcement:

First, the Federal Reserve Board voted unanimously to authorize the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to create a lending facility to improve the ability of primary dealers to provide financing to participants in securitization markets. This facility will be available for business on Monday, March 17. It will be in place for at least six months and may be extended as conditions warrant. Credit extended to primary dealers under this facility may be collateralized by a broad range of investment-grade debt securities. The interest rate charged on such credit will be the same as the primary credit rate, or discount rate, at the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

Second, the Federal Reserve Board unanimously approved a request by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to decrease the primary credit rate from 3-1/2 percent to 3-1/4 percent, effective immediately. This step lowers the spread of the primary credit rate over the Federal Open Market Committee’s target federal funds rate to 1/4 percentage point. The Board also approved an increase in the maximum maturity of primary credit loans to 90 days from 30 days.

With this action the Federal Reserve greatly broadened their lending program.  Before this action the Federal Reserve only made loans to member banks.  In addition, the Federal Reserve only accepted high-grade debt instruments (think US Treasuries) as collateral for those loans.

Now the Federal Reserve will lend to "primary dealers".  That means the largest Wall Street investment banks will be able to borrow money from the Federal Reserve.  This means firms like Merrill Lynch and Bear Stearns can borrow directly from the Federal Reserve.

Secondly, these loans will be "collateralized by a broad range of investment-grade debt securities."  That simply means the instead of only accepting Treasury securities for loans the Federal Reserve will now accept any investments with a rating of A or better.  It's important to note that a lot of the problems in the bond market have been caused by high-rated paper, so this qualification isn't worth what it once was.

Third, in addition to the above mentioned action, the Federal Reserve helped to facilitate the Bear Stearns transaction by guaranteeing up to $30 billion of Bear Stearns' portfolio.  That means that after JP Morgan buys Bear and takes charge Bear's investment assets, if up to $30 billion of those assets goes bad the Federal Reserve will pay JP Morgan for the losses.  In other words, the Fed is essentially guaranteeing up to $30 billion in losses related to Bear Stearns portfolio.

So -- what's good about this deal?

The central reason why the Federal Reserve acted like it did was to prevent a financial sector meltdown.  While there is no way of knowing for sure there was a strong possibility that a Bear Stearns bankruptcy would have frozen the credit markets.  This would have had chilling effect on the credit markets and could have frozen them solid.  This could have sent the economy which is already teetering on the edge of recession (if it's not already in one) into a very deep recession.  It's important to remember that leading up to this event were signs of extreme distress in the credit markets.  Auction rate securities -- a primary way that municipalities obtain short-term funds -- pretty much dried up over the last 2-3 months.  Structures Investment Funds -- SIVs for short -- were experiencing the same problems.  In effect, the Bear Stearns situation occurred at the end of a building problem in the credit markets.  If Bear had failed there is more than a small likelihood that the end result would have been a much deeper recession than we will have.

On the con side, the Federal Reserve clearly bailed out a firm who's own decisions were responsible for its downfall.  Bear decided of its own free will to get involved in the hedge fund and mortgage market.  That was a bad decision and they have paid the price.  In a free market economy (which we're supposed to be in) stupidity of this type is supposed to fall by the wayside by being unprofitable and therefore eventually going bankrupt.  Some commentators have correctly noted that the Fed's action essentially "privatizes the gains and socializes the losses" of the investment community.  Finally the Fed's action creates what economists call a "moral hazard".  This simply means that by bailing out stupid behavior the Federal Reserve is essentially allowing it to happen again.

In conclusion, I will first note that I called Ben Bernanke a socialist for his actions.  Frankly, I couldn't resist that line.  As a financial writer the irony was just too rich to ignore.  However, the situation is far more complicated than merely labeling a free market advocate a socialist.  Bear's collapse would have had far-reaching implications and ramifications that no one would want to be responsible for.  If Bernanke had let them fall he would have been burned in effigy for not doing anything.   But letting them collapse would have been a sure way to make sure the reckless lending practices of the last 2-3 years wouldn't happen again.   But by bailing out the situation Bernanke is now called a "socialist" -- which is probably deeply insulting to him.  In other words, this is the economic no win scenario.  Whatever you do you're damned.

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  •  If the deal had been tied to (63+ / 0-)

    making the bankers regurgitate all their obscene bonuses, I wouldn't have been so offended.  An individual citizen needs help as a result of occurrences beyond his control and it's "welfare," a whole industry, as a result of intentionally reckless conduct gets in trouble and it's good government to save them.  Harrumph!

    If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

    by marykk on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:37:57 AM PDT

    •  What's happened to the U.S. economy? (23+ / 0-)

      from Zuzu
      http://www.boingboing.net/...
      (note: some good points - others not - I would have verbalized differently but not in the mood to do so )

      From about 2001 - today the United States has funded a comprehensive restructuring of domestic government agencies (i.e. Homeland Security) with new and far-reaching "anti-terrorism" programs (e.g. Federal subsidy of enlarged state and local police, USVISIT, etc.), funded an invasion and ongoing active occupation of Iraq (at a cost of about $1 billion per month), while at the same time cutting taxes, and in September 2007 Congress raised the debt ceiling $9.815 trillion. The U.S. Government went from an ostensibly balanced budget in 1999, to a mind-boggling increase in spending, while at the same time collecting less revenue (i.e. taxes). How do they afford it? They increase the supply of money and credit through the Federal Reserve. This is a stealth tax. By debasing the fiat currency of the dollar, they spend the new dollars on the military-industrial complex to "keep us safe"*, which dilutes the value of the dollars we save in our bank accounts (or that we negotiated with our employers to earn in our paychecks), but all of the other goods and services are still just as scarce, so more dollars are needed for the same value to exchange for them, which is inflation.

      (*Recently "keep us safe" has been extended to including bailing out financiers such as Bear Stearns and soon Lehman Brothers.)

      The "Three Trillion Dollar War" or whatever you want to call it was all paid with inflation, which explains why the price of gold went over $1000/oz, why oil and food prices are up, but people are still generally acting as if dollars are worth what they used to be worth before the new money was created. (Arguably his is also why the Federal Reserve ceased publishing M3 data in March of 2006, and why the Department of Labor and Statistics has redefined the Consumer Price Index (CPI) to exclude energy (i.e. oil) and agriculture from its "basket of goods" estimation of dollar purchasing power.)

      The economic crisis the United States can no longer ignore is the unwinding of this inflation. However, economists who speak on television or for politicians will tie themselves in knots and circular logic to avoid ever saying the word "inflation" -- it's like a taboo. So first they pitched this problem as a "sub-prime mortgage crisis", until now the problem is obviously not contained to just that market sector. Recently I've heard people start saying "contagion" like when the Asian Tigers melted down from their inflationary bubble in the 1990s.

      But the crisis is simply that the Bush-Cheney administration has spent more money than God by borrowing and printing it (i.e. creating inflation), which in the central banking system of fractional reserve multiplies several times over into even more inflation. This creates an enormous market bubble -- that so-called "economic recovery" Bush has claimed in his speeches of yore. So this bubble didn't even feel like a bubble so much because the "improvement" was marginal over the pre-existing recession from the previous dot-com bubble and housing "foam" created by Alan Greenspan. But soon all of that inflation is about to collapse.

      •  Iraq occupation costs $12 billion/month (7+ / 0-)

        according to remarks made by Carol Shea-Porter on NH Public Radio on Thursday by phone -- she was returning from a visit to Iraq this week. $1 billion every two and a half days.

        Politics is the art of preventing people from taking part in affairs which properly concern them. - Paul Valery

        by inclusive on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:04:13 AM PDT

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      •  Among other things (1+ / 0-)

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        1. Deregulation.
        1. Slow growth.
        1. Huge deficits.

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        by Frank Palmer on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 08:35:30 AM PDT

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      •  "inflation is about to collapse" (1+ / 0-)

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        But soon all of that inflation is about to collapse.

        Can you explain what this means? Does it mean that the rate of inflation will go back down? The dollar back up? Gold and commodities back down?

        •  soon all of that inflation is about to collapse.. (9+ / 0-)

          I believe what the author of the post means is that continued massive market bubbles ( e.g. stocks, real estate ) are unsustainable when the US economy

          1. needs $1B a day from China’s or the United States could not keep its economy stable or spare the dollar from collapse.
          1. already has close to $10 Trillion in national debt
          1. has a trade deficit of $800B/yr
          1. is the prime engine for derivatives 'ticking bomb' that grew into a massive bubble, from about $100 trillion in 2000 to $516 trillion by 2007 that is starting to go off in blowback stages
          1. when the the cost of Bush to America since 2000 is $32 Trillion dollars in total liabilities and unfunded commitments for future payments.

          Hope that helps...

          •  I understand the problems. (1+ / 0-)

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            But the statement, "But soon all of that inflation is about to collapse" is a prediction. I'm still not sure what exactly is being predicted. The strength of the dollar is inversely tied to inflation. The price of gold and other commodities are inversely tied to the strength of the dollar. My question is: Does "But soon all of that inflation is about to collapse" mean that the rate of inflation will decrease, thus strengthening the dollar and lowering commodity prices?

        •  I think s/he means "deflation" (3+ / 0-)

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          which was the underlying condition of the Depression.

          That happens when goods become worth less because the demand for them dries up by virtue of intense consumer retrenchment caused by catastrophic market conditions.  

          But for that to happen, intense unemployment needs to ensue first, which is where the market catastrophe comes in.

          "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

          by nailbender on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:05:34 AM PDT

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          •  Not sure about the unemployment part (1+ / 0-)

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            I think it's possible to get at least some deflation without a massive wave of job losses.

            The tank is still draining, and bankruptcies will only increase the rate of drainage.

            Think of the economy as a typical septic system, but filled with debt instead of ....  

            Anyway, when you flush the toilet, more debt pours into the tank. The more you flush, the more it fills. If the outlet is blocked (say, by loosening credit standards), then the then the rate at which the tank empties is slowed, and the economy continues to fill the tank until it eventually reaches the top. When it gets there, and ... stuff ... starts to overflow, someone cleans out the blocked outlet, and voila! the tank drains back to normal levels.

            In this case, tightening lending standards (drastically) has unblocked the outflow.

            In the mean time, fewer and fewer people can get any more credit, so the toilet is being flushed less. As bankruptcies and foreclosures increase, thereby further decreasing the number of flushes, the debt-based economy will continue to recede toward the bottom of the tank, even without anyone losing their job.

            However, if there are massive increases in unemployment, it's possible that large numbers of toilets will be removed entirely from the system, causing the ... stuff ... level to fall more dramatically.

            •  Palley on the bubble economy.. (3+ / 0-)

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              The Debt Delusion

              Excerpt:

              The new business cycle also embeds a monetary policy that replaces concern with real wages with a focus on asset prices. Whereas pre-1980 monetary policy tacitly aimed at putting a floor under labor markets to preserve employment and wages, it now tacitly puts a floor under asset prices. This is not a matter of the Fed bailing out investors. Rather, the economy has become so vulnerable to declines in asset prices that the Fed is obliged to intervene to prevent them from inflicting broad damage.

              All these features have been present in the current economic expansion. Wages have stagnated despite strong productivity growth, while the trade deficit has set new records. Manufacturing has lost 1.8 million jobs. Prior to 1980, manufacturing employment increased during every expansion and always exceeded the previous peak level. Between 1980 and 2000, manufacturing employment continued to grow in expansions, but each time it failed to recover the previous peak. This time, manufacturing employment has actually fallen during the expansion, something unprecedented in American history.

              The essential role of asset inflation has been especially visible as a result of the housing bubble, which also highlights the role of monetary policy. Despite the massive tax cuts of 2001 and the increase in military and security spending, the US experienced a prolonged jobless recovery. That compelled the Fed to keep interest rates at historic lows for an extended period, and rates were raised only gradually because of fears about the recovery’s fragility.

              Snip!

              So, even if the Fed and US Treasury now manage to stave off recession, what will fuel future growth? With debt burdens elevated and housing prices significantly above levels warranted by their historical relation to income, the business cycle of the last two decades appears exhausted.

              It is not enough to deal only with the crisis of the day. Policy must also chart a stable long-term course, which implies the need to reconsider the paradigm of the past 25 years. That means ending trade deficits that drain spending and jobs, and restoring the link between wages and productivity. That way, wage income, not debt and asset price inflation, can again provide the engine of demand growth.

              http://www.project-syndicate.org/...

              We need to change the economic model away from Reagan's bubble economy to improve the employment part of the picture.

              Since both Hillary and Obama's camps have economic advisers that are pretty conservative and heavy on the "free market" verbage of the last 25 years, my concern is will the "change" either of them will bring be enough to bring real fundamental economic change rather than a just softening of current economic thinking.

            •  must..exercise..restraint..no..scatalogical..joke (0+ / 0-)

              How did you come up with that shit?

              Actually, your analogy breaks down (pause) at the outflow pipe.  I think you meant to put the blockage at the toilet, not the leach field.

              But I get your point.  Still, we share many economic characteristics with the runup to the Great Depression, including massive leveraging.  But there is already significant retrenchment in spending without huge unemployment numbers.  Us working stiffs are living on a fine edge right now and it doesn't take a psychic to see that we better cut back if we want to ever retire.

              "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

              by nailbender on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:33:35 AM PDT

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          •  unemployment by the numbers? (2+ / 0-)

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            dunno what the official line is, but i just finished a temp gig that was advertised as a two-week position.  they received over 80 resumes.  

            that says something...

            "Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise." Thomas Paine, Common Sense

            by Cedwyn on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:50:31 AM PDT

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    •  If the deal had contained some disclosure (6+ / 0-)

      I would be more sanguine.  According to news accounts, those firms that take advantage of the expanded Fed lending are not going to be publicly revealed.  Why not?  

      This isn't like Reserve Banks who use the Fed to handle their day to day business on a pro-forma basis; any investment firm that takes advantage of this (and who wants to bet that the list is already pretty long) is signaling the weakness of their portfolio.  

      Investors should be aware of this in order to better inform themselves of a firm's relative strength and liquidity, and the public should be likewise made aware of these loans in order to be apprised of how much of the public purse is being used by the private gambling sector.

      How am I off base?  bd?

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

      by nailbender on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:57:23 AM PDT

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      •  Bailout of Bear Stearns ... (4+ / 0-)

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        I think calling this a bailout of Bear Stearns is a misnomer. I've heard the right-wingers on TV argue that Bear shareholders (and likely management/employees) took a big hit.

        That is irrefutable -- Bear was not bailed out. The bailout was much bigger than that!

        The bailout was of the rest of the banks that did business with Bear, and whose positions would have unwound with terrible consequences for all.

        And definitely, the bailout was aimed at Lehman, Morgan Stanley and a dozen other investment banks that would have surely gone under the next day, but for the Feds action.

        I don't mind the bailouts ... I just want the Feds to heavily tax the profits of these suckers in the good times so that they can be bailed out when the going gets tough.

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        by Bronxist on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:00:51 AM PDT

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    •  Worry That the Party Is Ending.... (3+ / 0-)

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      Debt-Gorged British Start to Worry That the Party Is Ending ( but I think America and Americans should be worrying more ... )

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      As the United States economy weakens, many Americans are being overwhelmed by personal debt, but Britons are even more profligate. For most of the last decade, consumers here went on a debt-financed spending spree that made them the most indebted rich nation in the world, racking up a record £1.4 trillion in debt ($2.8 trillion) — more than the country’s gross domestic product.

      By comparison, personal debt in the United States is $13.8 trillion, including mortgage debt, slightly less than the country’s $14 trillion G.D.P.

      Britons are spending more than they earn, racking up a household debt-to-income ratio of 1.62 compared with 1.42 in the United States and 1.09 in Germany.

      IMO the Fed will continue to lower interest rates and Bush admin say spend spend spend because they don't want the party over until 2009 when Cheney bolts to Dubai ( Halliburton's new HQ), Bush is off to his compound in Paraguay, and middle class America ( what's left of it ) is left holding the bag !

    •  How about, all board members fired? (1+ / 0-)

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      And then forbidden to take any other jobs in the financial industry for five years?

      A bit unconstitutional, unfortunately, as they've committed no actual crimes.

      But in some alternate realities, this would at least be fleetingly satisfying.

      "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

      by jbeach on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:30:28 AM PDT

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    •  Result may be the same (1+ / 0-)

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      A presumably solvent public company got sold off, overnight, because what they had been booking as assets weren't worth near what they paid for. Meanwhile, the employees who bought and sold these assets -- who could reasonably have been expected to know better -- were rewarded lavishly. As a result, shareholders (including employees of the company) lose most of the value of their investment - billions of dollars worth.

      Might that be enough for the executives and the board to be determined to be criminally negligent? I mean, it's not the usual class-action situation where, say, a recent startup didn't recognize that some of their market expectations weren't realistic and the stock price took a hit. This is a massive, almost complete, destruction of shareholder value in an 85-year-old firm. Would that open them up to being held personally liable?

      RV

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      by RanxeroxVox on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 12:50:54 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for your analysis. (23+ / 0-)

    It seems to me the question is what would have happened if Bear Stearns failed to the real economy, i.e., jobs and income of working people.  I think the fear was of a finacial contagion that would ripple through the financial markets and then "crash" the economy.  The Fed seems scared shitless lately about a depression.  If they are scared, it likely is far worse than we know.

    Hard times coming.  

    "The answer is to end our reliance on carbon-based fuels." Al Gore, 7/17/08

    by TomP on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:39:06 AM PDT

    •  'Far worse than we know' (9+ / 0-)

      well, maybe. Actually the Fed works pretty much with a public data set...some of which may be available a few days earlier. The problem is more that they're dealing with a novel situation, and so they're concerned about worst-case scenarios.

      Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

      by gracchus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:45:27 AM PDT

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      •  They are concerned with timing the crash (39+ / 0-)

        tying the crash to the Dem White House in 2009.

        Nothing from the White House or the Fed, over the 5,6,7 years has addressed real problems, except to extend the  market , just .... a .. bit more....

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:53:44 AM PDT

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        •  Heh. People aren't THAT stupid. (1+ / 0-)

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          I hope. Please?

          Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

          by Dauphin on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:55:15 AM PDT

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          •  Bush econ policy is just that (10+ / 0-)

            nothing else.

            Have you read Perkins "Economic Hit man" ?

            FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

            by Roger Fox on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:04:25 AM PDT

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            •  Yep. Along with Keynes. n/t (2+ / 0-)

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              Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

              by Dauphin on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:04:48 AM PDT

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              •  Well when Reagan was in office the economy (3+ / 0-)

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                got much worse for about the first two years, he of couse just blamed that on Carter (I think they used to talk about how hard it is to turn an aircraft carrier around). In reality the economy was not much better in 1984 than in 1980, but because it had bottomed in 1982 many people felt Reagan had done a good job. I don't think it would be too hard to explain that Bush's policies will have a negative impact for years to come.

                Love that "power of the purse!" It looks so nice up there on the mantle (and not the table) next to the "subpoena power."

                by Sacramento Dem on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:45:27 AM PDT

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                •  Even when it got better, (1+ / 0-)

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                  I strongly believe that the expansion of 1982-1989 was more due to the UltraKeynesian stimulus of Reagan's then-record deficits than any impact that low taxes had on the Supply Side.

                  I'm not asking you to take the country back, I'm asking you to take it forward-Van Jones.

                  by Judge Moonbox on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 11:13:15 AM PDT

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                •  The price of oil was $44 in 1981 IIRC (0+ / 0-)

                  When Reagan came into office, thru his 2 terms in went down to something near $11. Just as the rise in oil helped make Carter look bad, the drop made Reagan look good.

                  And it helped cover up the fact the the top rate was dropped from 70% to 28%, by ROnnie Reagan.

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                  by Roger Fox on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:35:45 PM PDT

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          •  Care to make a small wager on that ????? (7+ / 0-)

            NYHAHAHAHA! (Best Snidely whiplash laugh.)

            Snark

            St. Ronnie was an asshole.

            by manwithnoname on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:32:41 AM PDT

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            •  Not a chance. :) n/t (1+ / 0-)

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              by Dauphin on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:33:33 AM PDT

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              •  Excellent choice. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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                St. Ronnie was an asshole.

                by manwithnoname on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:48:26 AM PDT

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                •  Cynism trumps hope, heh. n/t (0+ / 0-)

                  Omne malum nascens facile opprimitur, inveteratum fit plerumque robustius. - Cicero

                  by Dauphin on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:49:44 AM PDT

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                  •  why is reality defined as 'cynicism' ? n/t (9+ / 0-)

                    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

                    by seabos84 on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:21:58 AM PDT

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                  •  It Ain't Over Till It's Over... (11+ / 0-)

                    Like the man said... and while Bernanke's personal stock has risen because the financial system didn't collapse and the commodities "bubble" seems to have popped with oil and gold prices dropping and the dollar soaring against the Yen...

                    The full scope of impacts of the bail out of Bear Stearns has yet to come to light... no one has mentioned that in 2006 alone there were $503 billion dollars of CDOs sold to pension funds all across the country.

                    BS had specifically targeted them and had been doing so for five years and these tranches are now worth nothing... as in trillions of dollars of pension funds just went POOF!

                    Worldwide sales of CDOs -- which are packages of securities backed by bonds, mortgages and other loans -- have soared since 2003, reaching $503 billion last year, a fivefold increase in three years. Bankers call the bottom sections of a CDO, the ones most vulnerable to losses from bad debt, the equity tranches.

                    They also refer to them as toxic waste because as more borrowers default on loans, these investments would be the first to take losses. The investments could be wiped out.

                    http://www.bloomberg.com/...

                    Further... the subprime loans are resetting now and the number of foreclosures are expected to spike dramatically in April, May, And June... which is why Binder's remarks here are telling...

                    Commodities Drop, Rally in Dollar, Stocks Vindicate Bernanke

                    Excerpt:

                    Not everyone is convinced that Bernanke has managed to turn the tide for financial firms.

                    "He has taken extraordinary measures, things that we haven't seen since the Great Depression,'' said former Fed vice chairman Alan Blinder, a Princeton University professor. ``He's working overtime, literally and figuratively, to get this panic under control. But so far, it's not under control."

                    U.S. Treasury three-month bill rates dropped to the lowest since at least 1954 yesterday as investors sought the safety of government debt. Bill rates declined as low as 0.387 percent as finance company CIT Group Inc. drew on $7.3 billion in credit lines after being shut out of short-term debt markets.

                    ``This is all about money,'' said Leonard Kaplan, president of Prospector Asset Management in Evanston, Illinois, who has been trading gold since 1973. ``The Fed can control the price of money but the banks still don't want to lend."

                    http://www.bloomberg.com/...

                    •  Oh... and for you cynics... (9+ / 0-)

                      And for your daily dose of irony...

                      Many poster here at D-Kos have noted that the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999 in large part opened the door to the abusive lending that has resulted in the debacle we now see.

                      The GOP congress served it up in Clinton's last term and he resisted at first, but was arm twisted into signing it and Rubin, his Treasury Secretary was involved in that effort. One month after it was signed Rubin jumped ship to join Citigroup... which now is teetering on the brink as well.

                      So what do my wandering eyes see in the financial blogs? Rubin wants more regulation to reduce risks... (but really so these firms can feed at the Federal trough).

                      Rubin Calls for Urgent Government Action to Stem Foreclosures

                      Excerpts:

                      Rubin, 69, said the rising level of foreclosures is at the heart of the credit crunch. The world's biggest banks and securities firms have reported $195 billion in asset writedowns and credit losses since 2007 stemming from the collapse of the U.S. subprime mortgage market.

                      ``The credit markets themselves are really in uncharted waters,'' Rubin said. ``A lot of trouble could lie ahead.''

                      He praised the Federal Reserve for the steps it has taken to help the economy and to ease strains in the financial markets.

                      ``The Fed has done a very good job,'' he said. ``The Treasury, working with the Fed, did the right thing conceptually in rescuing Bear Stearns.''

                      The Fed is providing $30 billion to JPMorgan Chase & Co. to help finance the purchase of Bear Stearns Cos. after a run on Wall Street's fifth-largest securities company. It has also expanded its lending program to include big Wall Street securities firms as well as banks in a bid to stop the crisis.

                      Rubin said that securities companies should be subject to the same regulation as banks now that it's become clear that they will get the same government support. Frank on March 20 called for creation of a super agency to monitor risk across markets.

                      Rubin shied away from saying that the U.S. has already entered into a recession. He saw, though, a 1-in-3 chance that the economy could be in for a deep, prolonged contraction.

                      ``As a policy maker, those risks are high enough so that you would be highly proactive in seeking ways to reduce the risk,'' he said.

                      http://www.bloomberg.com/...

                      PS. This duplicitous little #@%$!... is one of Hillary Clinton's economic advisers and is reputed to be in wings waiting for a cabinet position. No room for cheers for the Obama crowd though... his economic advisers are reputed to be from the same school of thought.

                      •  That isn't quite what he said last night (4+ / 0-)

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                        Now, forgive me if I don't understand those who talk out of both sides of their mouths, but Rubin was interviewed by Judy Woodruff last night on The Newshour. Here's what he said in response to the following questions.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you agree with those who blame a lot of this on a lack of regulation and a lack of supervision of financial institutions?

                        ROBERT RUBIN: No, I do not. I think what you had was a really quite extraordinary confluence of different factors. You had the seemingly inevitable and inherent aspect of financial markets, which is a tendency to go to excess, and then to adjust and have disruption.

                        But then on top of that, you had low interest rates that led to a reaching for yield; you had tremendous use of complex financial instruments; and other kinds of factors. They all came together to produce what I think is really an extraordinary situation.

                        I don't think this is -- no, I do not think this is any fair measure a regulatory failure.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: So you don't think we need more regulation, more...

                        ROBERT RUBIN: Well, let me say, no, I do think we need regulatory change, and I do think the one area in which the uncertainty was, at least in my judgment, an inadequate amount of regulation was in the practices in the mortgage business.

                        JUDY WOODRUFF: And what needs to be done about that?

                        ROBERT RUBIN: I think there are two sets of changes that should come out of this, but then I want to mention one very important caveat. Number one, in terms of consumer protection in the mortgage area, there certainly seemed to me -- and this is not an area I'm an expert in, but I know a little bit about -- there certainly seem to me to be practices that probably should not be allowed.

                        And I think there also needs to be found some way to make far more transparent to the people who are taking out mortgages what they're undertaking. And that is much harder than it seems, because it's a very complex subject for people who're not financially sophisticated.

                        He seemed very concerned that regulations would "stifle the market." Actually he seemed scared shitless, gesticulating to emphasize his patter, while somewhat pooh poohing that there even was a recession - he urged "caution" among investors.

                        Now, is it just me or does this not quite match a call for more regulation?

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                        by Pariah Dog on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:27:08 AM PDT

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                        •  It doesn't surprise me... (3+ / 0-)

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                          That we have two sets of quotes from Rubin that seem to be in conflict. As I noted in the Bloomberg article his mention of regulation is so the securities firms can get Federal Assistance from the Fed Too!

                          His concerns have nothing to do with a desire to add more regulations, only to get access to Tax payer assets to bail them out.

                          these guys gambled that if this scam worked... they would be sittin' pretty and if not... Uncle Sugar would bail them out. You see they have run this kind of scam before.

                          This is new icing on an old cake but served up on an epic scale... like they did in the Savings and Loan crisis that resulted in a $160 Billion Dollar Bailout!

                          Look at the underlying causes of that fiasco...

                          Causes

                          Deregulation

                          Although the deregulation of S&Ls gave them many of the capabilities of banks, it did not bring them under the same regulations as banks. First, thrifts could choose to be under either a state or a federal charter. Immediately after deregulation of the federally chartered thrifts, the state-chartered thrifts rushed to become federally chartered, because of the advantages associated with a federal charter. In response, states (notably, California and Texas) changed their regulations so they would be similar to the federal regulations. States changed their regulations because state regulators were paid by the thrifts they regulated, and they didn't want to lose that money.

                          Imprudent real estate lending

                          In an effort to take advantage of the real estate boom (outstanding US mortgage loans: 1976 $700bn; 1980 $1.2tn)[citation needed]and high interest rates of the late 1970s and early 1980s, many S&Ls lent far more money than was prudent, and to risky ventures which many S&Ls were not qualified to assess. L. William Seidman, former chairman of both the FDIC and the Resolution Trust Corporation, stated, "The banking problems of the '80s and '90s came primarily, but not exclusively, from unsound real estate lending." [6]

                          Keeping insolvent S&Ls open

                          Whereas insolvent banks in the United States were typically detected and shut down quickly by bank regulators, Congress sought to change regulatory rules so S&Ls would not have to acknowledge insolvency and the FHLBB would not have to close them down.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

                          The mechanics are different but the underlying principles are very similar:

                          Under financial institution regulation, which had its roots in the Depression era, federally chartered S&Ls were only allowed to make a narrowly limited range of loan types. Late in the administration of President Jimmy Carter, caps were lifted on rates and the amounts insured per account to $100,000. In addition to raising the amounts covered by insurance, the amount of the accounts that would be repaid was increased from 70% to 100%. Increasing FSLIC coverage also permitted managers to take more risk to try to work their way out of insolvency so the government would not have to take over an institution.

                          Carter left office in January 1981, a year in which 3,300 out of 3,800 S&Ls lost money. In 1982, the combined tangible net capital of this industry was $4 billion. The chartering of federally regulated S&Ls accelerated rapidly with the Garn - St Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982, which was designed to make S&Ls more competitive and more solvent. S&Ls could now pay higher market rates for deposits, borrow money from the Federal Reserve, make commercial loans, and issue credit cards. They were also allowed to take an ownership position in the real estate and other projects to which they made loans and they began to rely on brokered funds to a considerable extent. This was a departure from their original mission of providing savings and mortgages.

                          •  What you don't mention: (0+ / 0-)

                            Why all the sudden did the S&L's need to expand their options? Because of Volker and the Fed lobbying Congress to pass the Monetary Control Act of 1980.
                            This would "level" the playing field between the protected institutions (primarily the S&L's) and banks.  The banks were hungry for depositors and wanted to entice or raid the S&L's by offering interest bearing checking accounts (NOW accounts).
                            The Fed on its part wanted to increase mandatory participation in the reserve system. Maybe to preserve its influence and power.  So a deal was struck with the banks to round up the small regionals not part of the system and allow for deregulation to strangle S&L's out.
                            The S&L's only attempted to adapt and survive in the new wild west.

                            •  Backgrounder.. (0+ / 0-)

                              Actually I didn't include the first two paragraphs of the back grounder I quoted and linked to, to limit the size of the post, but they do mention the new money market funds.

                              The background

                              Savings and loan institutions (also known as S&Ls or thrifts) have existed since the 1800s. They originally served as community-based institutions for savings and mortgages. In the United States, S&Ls were tightly regulated until the late 1970s. For example, there was a ceiling on the interest rates they could offer to depositors.

                              In the 1970s, many banks, but particularly S&Ls, were experiencing a significant outflow of low-rate deposits, as interest rates were driven up by the high inflation rate of the late 1970s and as depositors moved their money to the new high-interest money-market funds.

                              At the same time, the institutions had much of their money tied up in long-term mortgage loans that were written at fixed interest rates, and with market rates rising, were worth far less than face value. That is, in order to sell a 5% mortgage to pay requests from depositors for their funds in a market asking 10%, a savings and loan would have to discount its asking price on the mortgage. This meant that the value of these loans, which were the institution's assets, was less than the deposits used to make them, and the savings and loan's net worth was being eroded.

                              •  Misleading. (0+ / 0-)

                                For example, there was a ceiling on the interest rates they could offer to depositors.

                                From Secrets of the Temple - William Greider who's 800 page book centers on the late '70's.:

                                Banks would henceforth be permitted to pay interest on checking deposits--with the so-called NOW accounts-- in order to lure deposit money back from the money-market funds.  The Fed's Regulation Q, which for several decades had imposed arbitrary limits on how much interest banks and savings and loans could pay on savings deposits, was to be phased out.  The S & L's, given an interest-rate edge over commercial banks in order to encourage mortgage lending and broader homeownership, were stripped of their advantage--forced to compete on a "level playing field," as the bankers like to put it.  State usuary laws--which prohibited interest rates from rising above acceptable levels--were unilaterally suspended by act of Congress.

                            •  As to motive... (0+ / 0-)

                              The S&L's only attempted to adapt and survive in the new wild west.

                              What started as a move to try and survive, for many S&Ls turned into a move to cash in and exceeded any rationality with the amount of risk that they were assuming. Not all of the S&Ls failed.

                              A friend of mine is a Federal Auditor and he is reporting the same type of scenario with Credit Unions right now. Many were smart enough to avoid getting into the subprime mortgages, but the more aggressive ones got in and in a big way and they are in trouble.

                          •  Read my comment below (1+ / 0-)

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                            these guys gambled that if this scam worked... they would be sittin' pretty and if not... Uncle Sugar would bail them out. You see they have run this kind of scam before.

                            Yeah... scam. And it sounds more and more like one.

                            On an NPR news break yesterday I heard that several (I think the number thirteen was mentioned) other investment firms were lining up to get a similar deal to the BS one.

                            So far I can't seem to find any links to verify, but I know what I heard. Lehman Bros. was one, and I'm pretty sure Citi was another. I'm keeping in mind what bonddad said last week about how if one of these places was in this shape, others were certian to be (specifically mentioning Lehman in fact).

                            Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

                            by Pariah Dog on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 03:15:04 PM PDT

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                          •  Yes, this is an old scam (0+ / 0-)

                            FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                            by Roger Fox on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:39:20 PM PDT

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                      •  Well Obama's guys need an update, then. (0+ / 0-)

                        They'll get it.  It's not rocket science.  You just have to want to have equity and parity, which Obama has already made very clear that is what he wants for America.  So my guess he will choose cabinet members who reflect that intention.  Just like Dubya has chosen cabinet members who reflect his intentions.

          •  Unfortunately, Henry Ford had it right: (2+ / 0-)

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            "The masses are asses."

            Book excerpts: nonlynnear; other writings: mofembot.

            by mofembot on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:26:52 AM PDT

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            •  He was at least... (2+ / 0-)

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              smart enough to give the asses a break. When he realized that none of his employees could afford one of his cars on the salaries that he paid them, he gave them all raises so that they could.

              The geniuses of Wall Street used to think like that to a certain extent... but with "globalization" they're happy to move their manufacturing concerns to other countries and give them "a break"... meager as it might be to subsistence workers.

        •  No. (13+ / 0-)

          Sorry, don't buy it. One, this credit crisis came as a surprise to everyone except the left-of-center economists, who weren't being listened to (and haven't really had the ear of power since the 1970s). And in a real crisis, which this is, you don't know how this is going to play out. The banks could well get a repeat of the 1930s; during which there was the first comprehensive regulation of the banking and finance industries.

          Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

          by gracchus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:36:24 AM PDT

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        •  Right (0+ / 0-)

          Everybody in the global market notice that this is jsut a bandaid solution. It address nothing of a)sub-prime b)massive trade imbalance c)The worthless CDO's

          The overall unsustainable fundamentals are all still operating. Bush only care about bailing out his own buddies.

          What's worst, now people notice hot money is sloshing around between stock market and commodity, while eroding US treasury value.  And the coordinated G7 actions don't change a thing!!

          So, now most private investors are out of dollar and the big investors are playing the market trying to cover margin and loss, hence the volatility.

          It's going to crash big time. This is Mexico/Argentina/Korea.

    •  Financial Contagion? (1+ / 0-)

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      I think the fear was of a finacial contagion that would ripple through the financial markets

      If what I heard yesterday is true, then this has spawned a contagion. I heard thirteen other investment firm were lining up to get the same kind of deal. Lehman Bros. was one mentioned, but I can't recall the others. I recognized them though.

      Meddle not in the affairs of dragons... for thou art crunchy and good with ketchup.

      by Pariah Dog on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:13:13 AM PDT

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    •  I do not see how transferring wealth to very (0+ / 0-)

      wealthy corporate bondholders helps our economy one dot.

  •  Agree there were no good choices (19+ / 0-)

    but in terms of public policy, I think a bailout was the right move...PROVIDED there is re-regulation in the offing to prevent a repeat and to ensure that there is some acknowledgment that the consequences of the moral hazard were abridged in the name of stability. So Bernanke better be praying for a Democratic victory in November, because he's going to look like a chump if there isn't. There's no way the Republicans are going to do the necessary re-regulation.

    Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho.

    by gracchus on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 05:39:20 AM PDT